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pawpawmikedrop
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Playoffs predictions Jan 24, 2024 20:11:49 GMT -6

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Jan 24, 2024 18:10:37 GMT -6 @masterofthegame said:

Jan 24, 2024 17:13:30 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop said:

I might somewhat agree that 3A isn't as strong as it has been. However, I don't believe it's as really weak as some want you to believe. Case in point....

1. Washington's only loss has been by 5A Carl Albert by 2 points. Defeated 5A McAlester. Defeated six 4A teams, 2 of them ranked in top 20. Defeated Jones by 5 @ Jones.
2. Idabel's only loss is to 4A #1 ranked Bethany. Beat 6A #7 Bixby. Beat 5A #1 Sapulpa. Beat 4A Douglas, Broken Bow.
3. Alva lost to Class A #1 Seiling which is no disgrace and to #3A #4 Jones which they beat earlier in Dec. Alva has also beaten 4A Woodward.
4. Jones losses are to Alva at Alva by 1 point, #1 Washington by 5, 2A #1 Dale by 3 in OT and no disgrace there, and 4A #14 Classen SAS. Wins are 6A Deer Creek, 5A John Marshall, 4A #11 Kingfisher, Tecumseh, Ada, McLoud.
5. CC losses are to 4A #3 Anadarko, 2A #3 Riverside (not sure this is a bad loss), 4A Duncan. Wins are 6A NW Classen and US Grant (I conceded these aren't great wins but they are 6A), 5A #18 Guthrie and Grove, 4A Chickasha, Jay.
6. Adair losses to 4A Gravette, Ark. in OT, 3A #19 Seq Tahlequah (not a good loss) (also beat Seq Tahl), 4A #13 Inola (twice). Wins are 4A Dewey, Checotah, #19 Locust Grove, Seq. Tahl (2), Kelleyville, Bristol. Also beat 2A #5 Oktahaha
7. Roland losses are to: 4A #4 Stilwell, #15 Muldrow and then to Class A #3 Quinton in OT. Wins are 4A #11 Inola, Sallisaw (2) , Poteau (2), Stigler, Muldrow, Checotah,
8. Holdenville: they have 3 bad losses to Wewoka, Madill, and McLoud. I wouldn't say the 4A #19 North Rock Creek is a bad loss. They have beaten 4A Seminole, McLoud. They don't have any impressive wins unless you want to count 3A#14 Lone Grove, 2A #9 Okemah.

Kingston could make the state tourney depending on their Area Tourney
Bethel intrigues me simply because of McGehee
Luther also could make the state tourney depending on their Area
And then there's Millwood who beats Dale last night

So with that said, I just don't think 3A is as weak as some believe. There is no shame losing a Class A Seiling, 2A Dale or any of the top 4 in 2A, In 4A.... that class is loaded. Their top 6 teams are as good or better than any 5A team.
Idabel is the most talented and gifted in 3A. Washington is right behind them. On a bad night for either Idabel or Washington, any of the next 4 teams could beat the top two.

I'm afraid you have your rose colored glasses on, 3A is the worst it's been and it's down across the board just like 2A boys

I stated my case..... maybe 2A is down across the board. Maybe 5A is down across the board. And I'll change my name to Rose Colored Glasses.

justaguy91
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Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 4:13:17 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by justaguy91 on Jan 25, 2024 4:13:17 GMT -6

Jan 24, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -6 Johnny C said:

Jan 24, 2024 17:03:57 GMT -6 mrtushka said:

ah moving the goal post I see. Idk wasn't said by me, besides I was the one that said Millwood was a good team when Douglass beat them by 21 in the 4A discussion.

You want my honest opinion? And yes, I am basing this off teams I've seen. Eufaula, Spiro, Idabel, etc... there are some GOOD teams in 3A. No GREAT teams. Again, haven't seen Alva, Washington and teams like that other than highlights but what one team lacks, another team has. So much of what I have seen this year, an officiating crew can help or hurt a team. I am not making excuses or bashing. I won't do that. I think the officials I seen at Atoka last weekend was some of the best and most consistent officiating I've seen in some time. It didn't fit the style Eufaula plays, especially being short handed but they "let them play" physical. Now, with that, I did think they called some tick tack fouls with it being so physical most of the weekend but that style of officiating fits Idabel and if officials keep that mindset, which personally, I hope they do and Eufaula begins to adjust, then Idabel may be the team to beat. But if you get some officials like we get up here where you can't even look at teams sometime, Idabel will get bounced quickly. With all of that, my opinion is I haven't seen a team this year that would go run through the teams of a just a few years ago. Again, JMO and I haven't seen but a handful of 3A teams.

y’all talk about whining because we constantly gotta defend idabel for dumb allegations it’s all hate we know what y’all are doing like what about idabel says they’re not great!!! Oh now 3A’s down sounds like Hedging bets to make excuses when they win it all!!! We don’t care we know what we’re seeing and this idabel team is different they’re Great and somebody is gonna have to beat ‘em and they better pack a lunch!!!😮‍💨😮‍💨

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Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 7:10:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy and justaguy91 like this

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Post by builderone on Jan 25, 2024 7:10:47 GMT -6

It is laughable that coaches are voting Washington 1 over Idabel. Washington is great but not even in the same class. Idabel has beaten bigger ranked schools in 5A and 6A while Washington has beaten smaller ranked schools and games are closer. 1 and 2 in playoffs really does not effect much and I think these two will meet in finals with Idabel winning by at least 15,

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Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 7:16:47 GMT -6 justaguy91 likes this

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Post by builderone on Jan 25, 2024 7:16:47 GMT -6

Jan 24, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -6 Johnny C said:

Jan 24, 2024 17:03:57 GMT -6 mrtushka said:

ah moving the goal post I see. Idk wasn't said by me, besides I was the one that said Millwood was a good team when Douglass beat them by 21 in the 4A discussion.

You want my honest opinion? And yes, I am basing this off teams I've seen. Eufaula, Spiro, Idabel, etc... there are some GOOD teams in 3A. No GREAT teams. Again, haven't seen Alva, Washington and teams like that other than highlights but what one team lacks, another team has. So much of what I have seen this year, an officiating crew can help or hurt a team. I am not making excuses or bashing. I won't do that. I think the officials I seen at Atoka last weekend was some of the best and most consistent officiating I've seen in some time. It didn't fit the style Eufaula plays, especially being short handed but they "let them play" physical. Now, with that, I did think they called some tick tack fouls with it being so physical most of the weekend but that style of officiating fits Idabel and if officials keep that mindset, which personally, I hope they do and Eufaula begins to adjust, then Idabel may be the team to beat. But if you get some officials like we get up here where you can't even look at teams sometime, Idabel will get bounced quickly. With all of that, my opinion is I haven't seen a team this year that would go run through the teams of a just a few years ago. Again, JMO and I haven't seen but a handful of 3A teams.

Idabel is one of the best teams in the state and that includes all classes. The only lose is to Bethany who would win state in all classes this year

beltownradioguy Junior Posts: 298	Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by beltownradioguy on Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

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Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 17:09:36 GMT -6

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Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy said:

The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

Where and who puts out the statewide poll?

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Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 20:03:25 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jan 24, 2024 18:36:20 GMT -6 mattgou said:

Madill although not ranked is full of athletes and a solid team. Also I think wewoka beat North Rock Creek twice so how is Wewoka a bad loss but NRC isn’t? I’m mostly an Ada area guy but i did catch some of these teams in the Konawa tournament.

Madill hasn’t had their best player the entire year. Any loss to them for anybody is a bad loss.

mattgou Trainee Posts: 8	Playoffs predictions Jan 25, 2024 21:44:20 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by mattgou on Jan 25, 2024 21:44:20 GMT -6 Yet they gave beat 3 top 15 teams and lost to a top 8 team in OT. I’m not saying Madill is a world beater but come on lol. It’s not an embarrassing loss by any means.

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 1:20:04 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by silosport1fan on Jan 26, 2024 1:20:04 GMT -6

Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy said:

The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

where to find it I want to look at it

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 6:29:55 GMT -6 via mobile

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Jan 26, 2024 1:20:04 GMT -6 silosport1fan said:

Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy said:

The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

where to find it I want to look at it

highschool.si.com/oklahoma/2024/01/24/oklahoma-high-school-girls-basketball-top-25-rankings-1-24-2024

I think this is what is referenced

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pawpawmikedrop
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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -6

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Post by pawpawmikedrop on Jan 26, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -6

Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy said:

The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

This really isn't a poll per se. This was done by one person, Buck Ringgold -SB Live Oklahoma reporter. It's just SB Live Oklahoma's way of making teams feel good and making people in forum's like this create banter. Any of us could do the same thing. None of us would agree on placement of teams because of results. For instance, my top 6 would be:
1. Bethany
2. PC West
3. Edmond North
4. El Reno
5. Choctaw
6. Lincoln Christian
and so on.....
And I would agree, Idabel, based on results, should be ahead of Washington. But I completely disagree with builderone that Idabel would be Washington by 15. You haven't seen Washington play. I've see both Idabel and Washington play. Washington plays really good defense. I think if they played 10 times they would be
5-5. But they will only play once this year. And it will be a 10 point or less win for one team or the other. Just remember, as good as Jones was last year, they only beat Washington by 6 after Washington lost the point guard in the first quarter to an ACL. And I contend that if Washington doesn't lose the Beller girl, they win that game.

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 11:44:07 GMT -6

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Jan 26, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop said:

Jan 25, 2024 16:54:47 GMT -6 beltownradioguy said:

The statewide poll came out today...they had Idabel at 8 and Washington at 9. I understand not every coach is voting in those polls and there's about a 4-6 point differential between Washington and Idabel in the polls.

This really isn't a poll per se. This was done by one person, Buck Ringgold -SB Live Oklahoma reporter. It's just SB Live Oklahoma's way of making teams feel good and making people in forum's like this create banter. Any of us could do the same thing. None of us would agree on placement of teams because of results. For instance, my top 6 would be:
1. Bethany
2. PC West
3. Edmond North
4. El Reno
5. Choctaw
6. Lincoln Christian
and so on.....
And I would agree, Idabel, based on results, should be ahead of Washington. But I completely disagree with builderone that Idabel would be Washington by 15. You haven't seen Washington play. I've see both Idabel and Washington play. Washington plays really good defense. I think if they played 10 times they would be
5-5. But they will only play once this year. And it will be a 10 point or less win for one team or the other. Just remember, as good as Jones was last year, they only beat Washington by 6 after Washington lost the point guard in the first quarter to an ACL. And I contend that if Washington doesn't lose the Beller girl, they win that game.

Now Washington will lose by 17. I hope I eat my words when and if they meet up. I would love for it to be a great game

pawpawmikedrop
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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 12:19:05 GMT -6

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Post by pawpawmikedrop on Jan 26, 2024 12:19:05 GMT -6

Jan 26, 2024 11:44:07 GMT -6 builderone said:

Jan 26, 2024 10:56:24 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop said:

This really isn't a poll per se. This was done by one person, Buck Ringgold -SB Live Oklahoma reporter. It's just SB Live Oklahoma's way of making teams feel good and making people in forum's like this create banter. Any of us could do the same thing. None of us would agree on placement of teams because of results. For instance, my top 6 would be:
1. Bethany
2. PC West
3. Edmond North
4. El Reno
5. Choctaw
6. Lincoln Christian
and so on.....
And I would agree, Idabel, based on results, should be ahead of Washington. But I completely disagree with builderone that Idabel would be Washington by 15. You haven't seen Washington play. I've see both Idabel and Washington play. Washington plays really good defense. I think if they played 10 times they would be
5-5. But they will only play once this year. And it will be a 10 point or less win for one team or the other. Just remember, as good as Jones was last year, they only beat Washington by 6 after Washington lost the point guard in the first quarter to an ACL. And I contend that if Washington doesn't lose the Beller girl, they win that game.

Now Washington will lose by 17. I hope I eat my words when and if they meet up. I would love for it to be a great game

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Just know, with Kale Simon coaching at Washington the last two years, Washington has lost to 4A Classen SAS, quarterfinal state tourney team, by two points in OT and Jones in the State Finals by 6. This year, they lost to 5A Carl Albert by two after leading most of the game. Washington WILL NOT lose to Idabel by double digits. It just won't happen, if they even lose at all. Ask around. Who would you rather have as a Coach? Simon or Denton? And I'm not bashing Denton. Simon has a better track record by far. Don't underestimate Washington. And it will be a great game!

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 13:27:45 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop likes this

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Post by okprepshistorian on Jan 26, 2024 13:27:45 GMT -6

I don't have a horse in this race but I firmly believe these two are on a collision course for the title game barring injury

SOS wise I think both teams are similar but I would give the edge to Idabel with the Sapulpa win

As for Bethany winning every class let's pump the brakes on that because I don't know if they would beat PC West in 6A plus they did lose to Edmond North who is one of the top teams regardless of class

Where I would say the biggest difference is between Washington and Idabel is coaching, Kale Simon for Washington has been to the state tournament multiple times across his tenures at Roff, Okemah and El Reno going to the state championship a few times (Winning it at Roff and Okemah) Idabel has the talent to win it that's a given but coaching is a big question mark, They will go as far as Cauthron and Lopez will take them. Cauthron is one of those players that could carry a team on her back if needed

I also don't think it would be a blowout like the poster above says it would either, I think it would be a close game won through defense. Defense wins championships is what it comes down to

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 13:29:42 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop likes this

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Post by okprepshistorian on Jan 26, 2024 13:29:42 GMT -6

I will say this, Idabel reminds me of that Vanoss team from 2021 in a way if you really think about it because both teams could score at will and put up points and they also played a style of game where if you couldn't turn the other team over then that other team would make them earn the win (Like Vanoss against Latta and Dale that season)

Good luck to both teams and I for one hope to see this matchup on the biggest stage

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 15:07:38 GMT -6 pawpawmikedrop likes this

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Id also give the edge to Idabel. Washington plays great defense but the the big kid is the X factor. Everyone builds their game plan around stopping her but now that Idabel has the Cauthron kid to go with the lopez sister its just a lot to stop. Washington has the best chance in the class to beat them but lets not forget that Idabel not only beat Sapulpa but it was a good game with Bethany until halftime adjustments were made. Anything can happen though and teams can have bad shooting nights and thats what makes the Playoff time the best time of the year!

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 16:51:33 GMT -6 pco918 likes this

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Jan 26, 2024 15:07:38 GMT -6 pco918 said:

Id also give the edge to Idabel. Washington plays great defense but the the big kid is the X factor. Everyone builds their game plan around stopping her but now that Idabel has the Cauthron kid to go with the lopez sister its just a lot to stop. Washington has the best chance in the class to beat them but lets not forget that Idabel not only beat Sapulpa but it was a good game with Bethany until halftime adjustments were made. Anything can happen though and teams can have bad shooting nights and thats what makes the Playoff time the best time of the year!

Good, sound post! I would agree with the edge to Idabel because of Carden and Cauthron. They have a solid starting 5. But I'm not handing them the gold ball yet. Playoffs can reveal a lot of character, flaws, and reactions to pressure. Who knows, it could be Alva and Jones in the finals. Or Millwood and Community Christian. I kinda doubt it, but "anything can happen" in the Big House!

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Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 16:53:37 GMT -6 via mobile pawpawmikedrop likes this

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I heard Washington coaches were at the Idabel Ada game the other day scouting. I too believe they're on a collision course for the title. Mary Carden at 6'6 disrupts alot of game plans. Until you've seen it, it's hard to simulate. I think she had 10 blocks at Ada. Washington has never faced her before so that will be intriguing. If you can run run run to get ahead of her would be key. Though Idabel has the athletes to keep up with someone who wants to run. Get her in foul trouble would be the best for any opponent facing Idabel. Which is hard, because she's a smart player she doesn't pick up many fouls for someone her size. I think she's only fouled out like once or twice in her career, couple years ago that was. And the 2 guards Lopez and Cauthron can give you 20-25 pts each any given night. Scary thing is the 3 ball is getting better and starting to fall. If they start to hit the 3 ball, it will be hard for any 3A team to beat them. Barring injury to those big 3, I believe Idabel will be in the championship game with a good chance to win it.

beltownradioguy Junior Posts: 298	Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 17:03:59 GMT -6 via mobile pawpawmikedrop likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by beltownradioguy on Jan 26, 2024 17:03:59 GMT -6 I can confirm...I called that game in Ada and yes Washington was there. Good sensible takes on this post and the Lady Warriors have a good test tomorrow when Stilwell comes to town.

pawpawmikedrop Freshmen Posts: 30	Playoffs predictions Jan 26, 2024 19:11:37 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by pawpawmikedrop on Jan 26, 2024 19:11:37 GMT -6 Interesting that Cashion beat Alva 52-40 earlier today. Jones may jump to 3 and Alva slide to 4 next week if coaches are paying attention.

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