Post by greencountry on Feb 11, 2023 23:06:32 GMT -6
I want to know what is the reason for The change? What is your opinion ballcoach I am attempting to hear the overwhelming voice and their biggest problems with the private school integrated with public schools in OSSAA?
ADM and recruiting and the two I have heard the most. Which is fine and can be addressed. Anything else? That is a damning reason for this major change? Genuinely curious.
The real reason(s) would be helpful.
24 private schools competing with like sized institutions is not feasible and a blow to student athletes that attend smaller private schools.
I want to know what is the reason for The change? What is your opinion ballcoach I am attempting to hear the overwhelming voice and their biggest problems with the private school integrated with public schools in OSSAA?
ADM and recruiting and the two I have heard the most. Which is fine and can be addressed. Anything else? That is a damning reason for this major change? Genuinely curious.
The real reason(s) would be helpful.
24 private schools competing with like sized institutions is not feasible and a blow to student athletes that attend smaller private schools.
Pretty sure guys like him are on the ban all privates bandwagon
Post by fooshnickens on Feb 11, 2023 23:18:15 GMT -6
All eyes on the OSSAA leadership at this point. The past decisions have been driven by voting members, even if it violated their own rules. Let’s just see if they get the ball rolling. They only exist with public school support.
Post by greencountry on Feb 11, 2023 23:24:34 GMT -6
Understood. I’ll move back over to the playoff section of this forum! I do appreciate everybody’s insight and feedback. I don’t think it’s a perfect system and the OSSAA is attempting to do what they believe is the best for all student athletes in the state.
That is all from me. Thanks all for the great feedback.
Reasons and opinions on here don’t matter. Oklahoma administrators have voted OVERWHELMINGLY in an effort to make their voices heard. Privates will not lose regular season scheduling, which was supposedly an issue. They will ultimately compete for a gold ball vs other institutions abiding by similar enrollment screening and governing criteria. Not sure why there would be an issue with that? Unless of course you are at one of the institutions that do not prioritize football the same way others do, then I get it. It sucks. But at least you have the ability to fix it. Accept or deny more applicants/students to move up or down. Continue guiding your work programs in the direction of athletes. Force extracurricular activities on students with the threat of being kicked out of school should they quit. It’s easy, it’s all been done before and will be done again.
And for those not at Lincoln, Heritage, Holland or Metro…good luck. My advice…work harder, get better. 😎
Since private schools actually receive state and federal money in different ways, gonna be hard to shake title 9 in a court room, school administrators can vote all they want, in these situations the law might prevail, and it might strike down rule 14 with it….. so be careful what you wish for, might get private schools not playing up and end up in lower classifications with it.
Then you have nothing to worry about. It's hard to even come up with a reason for you, and your brethren, to come to this site and participate in such a debate. You might be better served focusing on sentence structuring.
I've never been a fan of the privates dominating the lower classes but I'm also not a fan of splitting A and 2A WHILE separating the privates. I just don't see the benefit of adding 3 additional state champions to Oklahoma High School Football. Regarding the split, if it's all about the amount of games A and 2A plays during the playoffs, then drop the 4th place district team from the post season.
The splitting of of 2a and is necessary some schools just cannot compete cause of the numbers of the football so you need a split .
Something that needs to happen at some point. Not right a private school can pick and choose who they want, control their ADM, and essentially recruit players when public schools cannot do that.
I think there are public schools that control their admission too. I would like to note that in 5A the two privates have one a state championship(football) between them and that one was won over 20 years ago. Just saying that in the higher classes the advantage does not seem as great. Even though the counter argument would be that BMG would have 4 gold balls if the public school that beat them in 4 straight title games didn't control their admission. Just thought I would add a different perspective to the conversation.
I was told over 85% of public schools surveyed wanted private schools to have their own playoff in every sport. That tells me that public schools don’t thing that they’re the same as private schools, so they don’t want to play them in the playoffs. Im sure the private schools will sue and there will be litigation for years, but hopefully the courts will determine they’re not the same as well.
I will say I think that private schools should have their own playoff system. Our team played a couple of 5A teams over the summer. We went to a private school to scrimmage before our season started and two players from the 5A school were there playing for the private school. I have also seen numerous private schools trying to recruit at cross country events as well. Our school has played with players that grew up in the community. I do not believe that OSSAA will kick them out they will just have their own playoffs if I understand correctly.
@spud I am interested as to why you want Private Schools out of the OSSAA? Looking for a healthy debate here, I need to understand why people want them out of OSSAA? Please provide me with as many reason why as possible. Not Joking here.
From what I was told the privates aren't getting kicked out of the OSSAA, they are just gonna have a separate private school playoff sactioned by the OSSAA. But that could be inaccurate. My source is a high school coach I've known since grade school and I trust his info. He says the separation of public and private is a done deal cause the vote will easily be in favor of the separation.
@spud I am interested as to why you want Private Schools out of the OSSAA? Looking for a healthy debate here, I need to understand why people want them out of OSSAA? Please provide me with as many reason why as possible. Not Joking here.
From what I was told the privates aren't getting kicked out of the OSSAA, they are just gonna have a separate private school playoff sactioned by the OSSAA. But that could be inaccurate. My source is a high school coach I've known since grade school and I trust his info. He says the separation of public and private is a done deal cause the vote will easily be in favor of the separation.
But the language reads “no bump up for success rule.” So the schools will get the playoff they wanted but now all the private schools will be playing 2A districts. That’s not a great plan. What’s the incentive for a bad school to just not play the game.
greencountry Let's keep Riverside and Sequoyah out of this private school debate. Riverside is an outlet for Native American kids who are mostly forced to attend. A huge majority of their school has no choice but to attend Riverside. Most of the time, it is the best option for them. Riverside cannot control their enrollment like a private school can. Riverside also has no district boundaries, so when a kid from Oklahoma attends there, they would have to apply for a hardship to be eligible. They simply can't move into district cause there is no district. If there was, they would have more Anadarko kids attend for sports than they do.
Why would they be out of the private school debate? Sequoyah can literally have a kid move in from any state to live in their dorms, play whatever sport they want and be eligible. That isn't a fair playing field in my opinion.
From what I was told the privates aren't getting kicked out of the OSSAA, they are just gonna have a separate private school playoff sactioned by the OSSAA. But that could be inaccurate. My source is a high school coach I've known since grade school and I trust his info. He says the separation of public and private is a done deal cause the vote will easily be in favor of the separation.
But the language reads “no bump up for success rule.” So the schools will get the playoff they wanted but now all the private schools will be playing 2A districts. That’s not a great plan. What’s the incentive for a bad school to just not play the game.
Almost every public school coach would take that trade off in a heartbeat.
Post by fooshnickens on Feb 18, 2023 21:48:00 GMT -6
Here we go again. The OSSAA sent emails out that they will be sending another vote to the member schools. They have to work on the language of the questions on the survey. They hope to have the new survey out around the end of March. Is this backpedalling or caution?
I was told over 85% of public schools surveyed wanted private schools to have their own playoff in every sport. That tells me that public schools don’t thing that they’re the same as private schools, so they don’t want to play them in the playoffs. Im sure the private schools will sue and there will be litigation for years, but hopefully the courts will determine they’re not the same as well.
I believe that vote included Private schools. It went to all OSSAA members. So chalk up a portion of that 15% to the private schools voting 'no'.