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Deleted Deleted Member Posts: 0	New #1 Jan 1, 2023 17:27:20 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 17:27:20 GMT -6 I think Caddo has to be the new #1

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Why? No one in Class A has dethroned Seiling. They are the reigning champs. Caddo proved they can contend and had a good weekend. But Seiling losing to 6A #1 reigning champs does not move them from #1. They are still #1 until proven otherwise

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Jan 1, 2023 17:27:20 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

I think Caddo has to be the new #1

Winning the Bertha Teague is a big deal, but let’s not forget that 70-32 Semifinal where Caddo was dismantled last year. Both bring everything back. I earned more respect for Caddo and they are someone who is in the conversation, but Seiling is #1 until proven otherwise. I hope we get to see a Riverside / Seiling Championship this week at the Ward Center Classic. Caddo should celebrate this though. Bertha Teague is competitive and a big deal.

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Not a chance. Mid America is a great tournament but was weaker than usual this year. Speaking of Riverside though, I’ve been told by a couple of coaches that they have girls from 6 different states on that team. One of those coaches also told me that their current enrollment is over 300 and they will be 3A or 4A next year. Anyone confirm either of those two statements?

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Jan 1, 2023 23:37:53 GMT -6 ump44 said:

Not a chance. Mid America is a great tournament but was weaker than usual this year. Speaking of Riverside though, I’ve been told by a couple of coaches that they have girls from 6 different states on that team. One of those coaches also told me that their current enrollment is over 300 and they will be 3A or 4A next year. Anyone confirm either of those two statements?

They are a boarding school so it wouldn’t surprise me about different states. I know a lot of them were there last year. Idk about enrollment. Covid made them downsize by a lot. They are a great team though. Really fun to watch.

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Jan 2, 2023 0:46:03 GMT -6 DaleYeah said:

Jan 1, 2023 23:37:53 GMT -6 ump44 said:

Not a chance. Mid America is a great tournament but was weaker than usual this year. Speaking of Riverside though, I’ve been told by a couple of coaches that they have girls from 6 different states on that team. One of those coaches also told me that their current enrollment is over 300 and they will be 3A or 4A next year. Anyone confirm either of those two statements?

They are a boarding school so it wouldn’t surprise me about different states. I know a lot of them were there last year. Idk about enrollment. Covid made them downsize by a lot. They are a great team though. Really fun to watch.

A great team, a boarding school. Seems like they don’t have a traditional school district, or even Oklahoma kids. Why isn’t their enrollment checked differently from other schools? 6 different states on their team? Enrollment of 300? Seems fair
With such a fluid enrollment, why would their classification be based off last year? Wow

texasrangers Junior Posts: 475	New #1 Jan 2, 2023 12:44:28 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by texasrangers on Jan 2, 2023 12:44:28 GMT -6 Caddo had a great weekend but no way Seiling should be moved down from the 1 spot just yet in my opinion.

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Jan 1, 2023 23:37:53 GMT -6 ump44 said:

Not a chance. Mid America is a great tournament but was weaker than usual this year. Speaking of Riverside though, I’ve been told by a couple of coaches that they have girls from 6 different states on that team. One of those coaches also told me that their current enrollment is over 300 and they will be 3A or 4A next year. Anyone confirm either of those two statements?

I heard the same thing from someone out in Anadarko

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Jan 2, 2023 7:28:29 GMT -6 sander said:

Jan 2, 2023 0:46:03 GMT -6 DaleYeah said:

They are a boarding school so it wouldn’t surprise me about different states. I know a lot of them were there last year. Idk about enrollment. Covid made them downsize by a lot. They are a great team though. Really fun to watch.

A great team, a boarding school. Seems like they don’t have a traditional school district, or even Oklahoma kids. Why isn’t their enrollment checked differently from other schools? 6 different states on their team? Enrollment of 300? Seems fair
With such a fluid enrollment, why would their classification be based off last year? Wow

I am not sure about the 6 different states although I do know 3 of their top girls were born and raised around Anadarko, the Parker sisters and they are very good.

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Caddo beat #2 Class B, #3 Class 3A, #3 Class 4A, #2 5A and #11 Class A. That's a pretty good resume.
Seiling is the team to beat. If Caddo play like they did last week they will be a tough out.
But until Seiling loses to a class A team they should remain #1.

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Jan 1, 2023 23:17:43 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

I don't put stock into last year nevertheless Caddo should be #1 just based off performance at the Bertha Teague

Wwwhhaaat? You don’t put stock from last year. Okay, I get that but when a team has won 5 gold balls in the last 7 years you should definitely respect that. Not to mention Seiling is the reigning champ. Congrats to Caddo, Bertha Teague is no joke but let’s not get off our rocker here and start screaming for a new #1 because the current #1 lost to the 6A #1 team. Seiling is still Seiling.

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Jan 7, 2023 20:45:50 GMT -6 broomhand said:

Seiling 62 Riverside 32
It was a real tight first half
Riverside ran out of gas in second half and seiling hit like 13 3’s
Come state touny time they will both be ther

They need to be in Class 3A where they belong

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Jan 8, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

Jan 7, 2023 20:45:50 GMT -6 broomhand said:

Seiling 62 Riverside 32
It was a real tight first half
Riverside ran out of gas in second half and seiling hit like 13 3’s
Come state touny time they will both be ther

They need to be in Class 3A where they belong

is it possible for a team to get bumped up mid season? I saw where Ardmore got moved down from 5a to 4a a couple weeks ago. What’s the process of something like that happening?

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Jan 8, 2023 18:17:00 GMT -6 ump44 said:

Jan 8, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

They need to be in Class 3A where they belong

is it possible for a team to get bumped up mid season? I saw where Ardmore got moved down from 5a to 4a a couple weeks ago. What’s the process of something like that happening?

I saw an article just last week that Holland Hall was being moved to 5A by the OSSAA. So its possible.

texasrangers Junior Posts: 475	New #1 Jan 9, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by texasrangers on Jan 9, 2023 9:00:20 GMT -6 I bet Riverside would be campaigning to move up.

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Jan 8, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

Jan 7, 2023 20:45:50 GMT -6 broomhand said:

Seiling 62 Riverside 32
It was a real tight first half
Riverside ran out of gas in second half and seiling hit like 13 3’s
Come state touny time they will both be ther

They need to be in Class 3A where they belong

Riverside is where they belong classification wise according to OSSAA rules. In the school year of 2020-21 no students were allowed on their campus as the Federal Government, which funds all Bureau of Indian Education (BIE) schools and all other BIE Schools in the nation, shut all BIE schools down due to COVID 19. Since no students were on campus, no extra-curricular activities were conducted at Riverside in 2020-21. Last season (2021-22) Riverside competed in Class 2A because that was the last reported ADM which was actually 2019-20 school year even though last year's enrollment was down to 133 students (Riverside could claim this was unjust by rationale of some on the forum). Each year every team that is an OSSAA member is classified off the previous year's enrollment, or in Riverside's case the last year students attended. Riverside's enrollment last school year, as stated was 133, which puts them clearly in Class A between Pioneer-Pleasant Vale and Wright City.

As far as the comparison to Holland Hall Boy's, they were moved up a classification due to Rule 14 of the OSSAA. This states that private schools that make the state tournament two years in a row will be placed in a higher classification. This rule is not pertinent to Riverside.

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Jan 9, 2023 9:20:36 GMT -6 jimdandy said:

Jan 8, 2023 17:50:11 GMT -6 @roundballrock said:

They need to be in Class 3A where they belong

Riverside is where they belong classification wise according to OSSAA rules. In the school year of 2020-21 no students were allowed on their campus as the Federal Government, which funds all Bureau of Indian Education (BIE) schools and all other BIE Schools in the nation, shut all BIE schools down due to COVID 19. Since no students were on campus, no extra-curricular activities were conducted at Riverside in 2020-21. Last season (2021-22) Riverside competed in Class 2A because that was the last reported ADM which was actually 2019-20 school year even though last year's enrollment was down to 133 students (Riverside could claim this was unjust by rationale of some on the forum). Each year every team that is an OSSAA member is classified off the previous year's enrollment, or in Riverside's case the last year students attended. Riverside's enrollment last school year, as stated was 133, which puts them clearly in Class A between Pioneer-Pleasant Vale and Wright City.

As far as the comparison to Holland Hall Boy's, they were moved up a classification due to Rule 14 of the OSSAA. This states that private schools that make the state tournament two years in a row will be placed in a higher classification. This rule is not pertinent to Riverside.

You are right. Due to extenuating circumstances, their enrollment numbers are skewed. Which is the reason why their enrollment should have been looked at the beginning of this year due to those "extenuating circumstances". But lets not use common sense. Lets have a team with 300 plus HS enrollment compete in class A.

And if Rule 14 doesn't apply to riverside, then it should. They have more advantages than private schools. At least private schools compete with Oklahoma kids. BIE schools have resources and "district boundaries" that others do not have. But once again this would be based on common sense

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