All State Revamp

Question jbfootball: Does where a kid signs automatically make him an All Stater? or make him the best player in the state? What about that player that set a season record or career record in their individual/position stats? Or what about that player that was the ring leader in getting his team to state and winning the gold ball, where does that player fit in??? Maybe it is like Paul Horning winning the Heisman Trophy having played for Notre Dame and having a losing record..... I for myself don't think where a kid signs necessarily makes him an All Stater.. Just my opinion. Others please weigh in.

I definitely think there is merit in how each player’s team finishes and if they were a key player in a playoff run. I’ll use Max Brown as an example since his stats were in the newspaper recently.

4,000 total yards
60 total TDs
State runner up
Florida University signee

I personally don’t see how that is not one of the best QBs in the state. Yes, he’s and SEC QB, but has everything else you need to make all state except a state title. Only 1 of the QBs won a state title on the east side. All State should be the absolute best players.

While these kids are of the best players in the state, the committee has conversations with these player's head coaches. These players in many cases are not allowed to play in the all state game by their college football staffs that they have just signed with, knowing this, most head coaches will not nominate these kids. Remember, the all state game is played on July 29 and these kids have either already reported for summer classes that most require from the players now days, graduated at semester, or are getting ready to report the following week in August. The process of selection is not as flawed as you think, and much more goes into it than one thinks. The problem in my opinion is WHEN the game is played. Play the game in January before signing day when all the other football all star games are being played across the country!  I guarantee there would be more nominations and participation. 

This is exactly why I titled the thread Revamp. It’s not ALL STATE. It’s “Best players that will play in the game in July.” There’s no reason to have a game. Just release the team and have a banquet. That would be a great way to honor the kids.

The system is terribly flawed. Why should a you get a player on the team just because you coach it? A few years ago they left off the number 7 QB of all all time in Oklahoma. Why does Class A have to have a 2 players on there? Yes, there are really good Class A players but that doesn’t mean they’re the best in the state. Just a few examples.

Agreed. I already gave the stats from the Daily Oklahoman All State which Max Brown was the 1st Team QB. Not all fall into the same category but I cited stats and examples for that reason. No chance the QB from Dewar is better than him. I saw both play and their highlight tapes are on Twitter. I don’t how coaches walked out of that room with that selection. I personally think he was better than the Sand Springs QB too.

Gentry Williams is better than the Beggs DB that got picked. Highlight tapes on Twitter. It reduces credibility of coaches

Each class has to have at least 4 members on the team. Most D1 schools will not let their kids play in a game just a week or two before college two-a-days start. The coach in bigger schools often won't put that kid up for All-state. I would like each class having to have 5 members, 40 man roster, and no automatic 8-man kids since they already have their All-state game. As far as who is selected, selection committee can only select from those that made All-Star by class. Right now that is picking 35 players out of 149 All-Star by class candidates. Just saying.

Gentry, who I think has immense potential & will be good for OU, didn't deserve all-state. I say that based on watching numerous BTW games in-person and online. Great kid, rough year against the competitive teams on BTW's schedule. Micah Tease was the star in BTW's secondary. Tease is on Dax Hill's level (or just below)...I didn't see that from Gentry this year. Gentry was honorable mention on Tulsa World.

"the Beggs DB" is Tulsa signee - Kyron Grayson. I know it's 2A but the kid was really good this year. I think he had at least 8 INTs w/ 4 TD returns...maybe 3. I didn't watch a lot of Beggs this year so I'm going off memory/what I've read/conversations. I'm perfectly fine with Grayson being on there over Gentry. Not important, but Grayson's younger brother, Ryan (c/o 2025), is going to be a high-level FBS recruit.

I'd also have Tulsa Union's Jayden Rowe and Holland Hall's Nunu Campbell over Gentry.

Same thing with McClellan. He's lucky that Florida honored their scholarship. OU passed as did Ohio State & Alabama. McClellan wasn't that good this year. Honorable mention on Tulsa World for good reason.

I have no disagreement on Max Brown. I was happy when he committed to Central Michigan, when he got his Washington & Florida offers, and ecstatic when he signed with Florida.

I don't agree on Pennington. He deserved all-state. Tulsa World agreed with OCA coaches.

I know Jameson Ross' dad (the Dewar kid) so that's a little bit of a touchy subject. Ross was really productive but yeah, it's 8-man. They should be rewarded for their level but at the expense of a kid like Brown? Nah.

There are a lot of kids that could be included but there's no way to make everyone happy.