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Redsentry Junior Clinton Red Tornado fan Posts: 296 Fan of School: Clinton High School Favorite Sport: Football	Class 4A Top 20 Oct 23, 2018 11:48:58 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Redsentry on Oct 23, 2018 11:48:58 GMT -6
	Last Edit: Oct 23, 2018 12:34:43 GMT -6 by Redsentry Empires won by conquest have always fallen either by revolt within or by defeat by a rival

machspeed
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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6 Redsentry likes this

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Post by machspeed on Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6

Sorry Red, but I'm calling horse pucky on this poll. The top three are all from the west!?!. Frankly, I think Poteau should be top two, if not number one. I know Tuttle is good, and no disrespect, but I question Clinton and Cache in the #2 and #3 spots. I'm thinking Broken Bow should probably be ranked a little higher too. Guess we'll see.

GO BULLDOGS!!!

Redsentry
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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 24, 2018 13:09:36 GMT -6 via mobile

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Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6 machspeed said:

Sorry Red, but I'm calling horse pucky on this poll. The top three are all from the west!?!. Frankly, I think Poteau should be top two, if not number one. I know Tuttle is good, and no disrespect, but I question Clinton and Cache in the #2 and #3 spots. I'm thinking Broken Bow should probably be ranked a little higher too. Guess we'll see.

Fair enough mach but most polls are just setup that way. Yes we will definitely see.

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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 24, 2018 13:15:07 GMT -6 namreeb likes this

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Post by mbr185 on Oct 24, 2018 13:15:07 GMT -6

I agree, I think this poll has a little west side bias. If I had to rank 4A it would look like this:

1. Tuttle
2. Poteau
3. Clinton
4. Wagoner
5. Broken Bow
6. Bethany
7. Cache
8. Bristow
9. Hilldale (this might just be might sleeper pick! They had a rough outing against BB, but I believe they are a very good team. They have Poteau in week 10)
10. Catoosa

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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 24, 2018 19:16:52 GMT -6

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Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6 machspeed said:

Sorry Red, but I'm calling horse pucky on this poll. The top three are all from the west!?!. Frankly, I think Poteau should be top two, if not number one. I know Tuttle is good, and no disrespect, but I question Clinton and Cache in the #2 and #3 spots. I'm thinking Broken Bow should probably be ranked a little higher too. Guess we'll see.

Sorry Mach but I have to disagree with you. Tuttle no question deserves to be Number 1 over Poteau. They have beaten Kingisher, Plainview, Blanchard and Bethany, all very good teams. Poteau only has El Reno, who is middle of 5A and Broken Bow who lost to Metro at home.

Clinton and Cache deserve to 3 and 4 behind Poteau. Both are quietly legit contenders. Clinton's only loss is to Heritage Hall who they played very tough. And they also beat Lawton Mac soundly. It appears they have their mojo back, their defense is stingy and good things are happening there. Cache is still Sulpher's only loss and they beat them BAD. Cache also held their own against Muenster, TX a top 2A team in Texas. Now I don't how they got into a shootout with Weatherford but they found a way to pull it out. This going to be showdown in week 10 at Cache.

I believe the West is best. I believe the West 5, Clinton, Cache, Tuttle, Bethany and Blanchard are all better than anyone in the East and the Championship will stay West. Poteau would be the East's best chance. I am sorry but Oologah, Wagoner, Bristow, Catoosa, Broken Bow and Hilldale just haven't been as impressive to me. Maybe one of them will prove me wrong who knows but doubt it. Anyway you look at it the playoffs look wide open and be very interesting this year. Gonna be fun!

storm Sophomore Posts: 129	Class 4A Top 20 Oct 24, 2018 22:16:39 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by storm on Oct 24, 2018 22:16:39 GMT -6 Not sure I’d rank catoosa that high

sozo
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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 25, 2018 14:28:21 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by sozo on Oct 25, 2018 14:28:21 GMT -6

Used to think the West was better than the East all the time but beginning about '13 begin to rethink that. With the Advent of Wagoner Oologah and even Poteau beating Clinton I begin to think we are all pretty well even . They lost their Mystique for me.

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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 26, 2018 9:55:58 GMT -6

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Post by tfb on Oct 26, 2018 9:55:58 GMT -6

Wichita, I wouldn't put much stock in Clinton's win over Lawton Mac this year as they are mid tier 5A at best, In week ten we will see if LM is any better than El Reno. The LM Clinton Score very similar to Poteau/ElReno. I will also be surprised if LM beats Duncan tonight.

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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 29, 2018 10:57:30 GMT -6

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Post by machspeed on Oct 29, 2018 10:57:30 GMT -6

Oct 24, 2018 13:09:36 GMT -6 Redsentry said:

Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6 machspeed said:

Sorry Red, but I'm calling horse pucky on this poll. The top three are all from the west!?!. Frankly, I think Poteau should be top two, if not number one. I know Tuttle is good, and no disrespect, but I question Clinton and Cache in the #2 and #3 spots. I'm thinking Broken Bow should probably be ranked a little higher too. Guess we'll see.

Fair enough mach but most polls are just setup that way. Yes we will definitely see.

Hey Red, to be clear, no disrespect to your Tornados. It just seems, from my perspective, and I've not paid a whole lot of attention, that they have come up out of nowhere. Good luck, buddy!

GO BULLDOGS!!!

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Class 4A Top 20 Oct 29, 2018 13:28:17 GMT -6 via mobile

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Post by Redsentry on Oct 29, 2018 13:28:17 GMT -6

Oct 29, 2018 10:57:30 GMT -6 machspeed said:

Oct 24, 2018 13:09:36 GMT -6 Redsentry said:

Fair enough mach but most polls are just setup that way. Yes we will definitely see.

Hey Red, to be clear, no disrespect to your Tornados. It just seems, from my perspective, and I've not paid a whole lot of attention, that they have come up out of nowhere. Good luck, buddy!

None taken brother! To be honest I felt like this poll had us ranked higher than where we should be because as a fan I like to be real with myself. Yes of course I always want to be on the side of victory but I call it as I see it and right now I'm not convinced that we are as good as perceived in the win/loss column but we shall see! Stay tuned

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Class 4A Top 20 Nov 4, 2018 18:30:52 GMT -6

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Oct 24, 2018 19:16:52 GMT -6 Wichita Lineman said:

Oct 24, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -6 machspeed said:

Sorry Red, but I'm calling horse pucky on this poll. The top three are all from the west!?!. Frankly, I think Poteau should be top two, if not number one. I know Tuttle is good, and no disrespect, but I question Clinton and Cache in the #2 and #3 spots. I'm thinking Broken Bow should probably be ranked a little higher too. Guess we'll see.

Sorry Mach but I have to disagree with you. Tuttle no question deserves to be Number 1 over Poteau. They have beaten Kingisher, Plainview, Blanchard and Bethany, all very good teams. Poteau only has El Reno, who is middle of 5A and Broken Bow who lost to Metro at home.

Clinton and Cache deserve to 3 and 4 behind Poteau. Both are quietly legit contenders. Clinton's only loss is to Heritage Hall who they played very tough. And they also beat Lawton Mac soundly. It appears they have their mojo back, their defense is stingy and good things are happening there. Cache is still Sulpher's only loss and they beat them BAD. Cache also held their own against Muenster, TX a top 2A team in Texas. Now I don't how they got into a shootout with Weatherford but they found a way to pull it out. This going to be showdown in week 10 at Cache.

I believe the West is best. I believe the West 5, Clinton, Cache, Tuttle, Bethany and Blanchard are all better than anyone in the East and the Championship will stay West. Poteau would be the East's best chance. I am sorry but Oologah, Wagoner, Bristow, Catoosa, Broken Bow and Hilldale just haven't been as impressive to me. Maybe one of them will prove me wrong who knows but doubt it. Anyway you look at it the playoffs look wide open and be very interesting this year. Gonna be fun!

Clinton's quality win over Lawton Mac doesn't look near as good since El Reno knocked them off Friday night.

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Class 4A Top 20 Nov 5, 2018 2:07:24 GMT -6 Redsentry likes this

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I mentioned Clinton's win over Lawton Mac because of Lawton Mac's recent playoff history since 2010 which included a state championship in 2014. Yes El Reno defeated Lawton Mac Friday night in a high scoring affair. El Reno doesn't have a recent playoff history. This year will be El Reno's first playoff appearance since 2011 where they lost in the 1st Round to Lawton Mac. This year is the 1st time in the time period going back to 2010 that Lawton Mac hasn't made it to the playoffs. So that is why Clinton's win looked better than Poteau's win when they were both early in the season. Lawton Mac's name carries weight, El Reno's name doesn't.

Clinton has had most of their big games on the road, Cache, Weatherford and Anadarko. Poteau has all of theirs at home, El Reno, Broken Bow and Hilldale, in fact 6 home games total. The strength of schedule is why I give Clinton the edge over Poteau.

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