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oksportsfan Freshmen Posts: 31	The last two Dec 8, 2019 11:14:57 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by oksportsfan on Dec 8, 2019 11:14:57 GMT -6 Well, this is the final week of class A football for the year and what a fun year it has been. I’m sure it will turn out to be an awesome game so whats everyone’s take between Cashion and Ringling?

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My take is that these are the best two defenses in the state in Class A. Both with very physical offenses that will pound you up front. I think both offenses will struggle to score and the game will come down to turnovers and special teams. The team with a big special teams play or the team with the most take always will come away with the gold ball. I know that’s pretty cliche but with these two evenly matched teams I think that is what it will come down to.

cleangreen Sophomore Posts: 100 Fan of School: Thomas Favorite Sport: Football	The last two Dec 8, 2019 21:40:16 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by cleangreen on Dec 8, 2019 21:40:16 GMT -6 I like wcathomer's take. I'll give Cashion the edge for offensive versatility.
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ramfan72 Sophomore Posts: 217	The last two Dec 9, 2019 12:28:04 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by ramfan72 on Dec 9, 2019 12:28:04 GMT -6 Hats off to Ringling. I looked at their ADM and it's obvious that they do more with less. I'm pulling for the little guy, Go Ringling!

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Dec 8, 2019 19:39:31 GMT -6 wcathomer said:

My take is that these are the best two defenses in the state in Class A. Both with very physical offenses that will pound you up front. I think both offenses will struggle to score and the game will come down to turnovers and special teams. The team with a big special teams play or the team with the most take always will come away with the gold ball. I know that’s pretty cliche but with these two evenly matched teams I think that is what it will come down to.

Best defenses in the state:
Regent Prep (B) 4.3 PPG
Ringling (A) 5.1 PPG
Carl Albert (5A) 6.1 PPG
Pond Creek Hunter (C) 6.1 PPG
Poteau (4A) 7.7 PPG
Sperry (2a) 8.5 PPG
Kingston (2a) 9.2 PPG
Cashion (A) 9.3 ppg

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westernokie Junior Posts: 459	The last two Dec 11, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by westernokie on Dec 11, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -6 Ringling is my choice in a close game. Good luck to both. Been another great year in class A ball. I'm sticking to what I said earlier before 2nd round was played. Ringling and Frederick were the two hot teams coming in.
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Dec 11, 2019 9:17:21 GMT -6 westernokie said:

Ringling is my choice in a close game. Good luck to both. Been another great year in class A ball. I'm sticking to what I said earlier before 2nd round was played. Ringling and Frederick were the two hot teams coming in.

We went into the 2nd rnd of the playoffs a little bit worried (at least from my perspective, as well as several Blue Devils faithful I know very well) that we had not quite gotten to where we needed to be to be a state championship contender. The last several weeks have been lots of fun for the Ringling faithful! I say again that no matter what happens this Saturday, we are very proud of this team!

houseofstark Sophomore Posts: 121	The last two Dec 11, 2019 15:31:56 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by houseofstark on Dec 11, 2019 15:31:56 GMT -6 Im going with the blue devils in this matchup.

cleangreen Sophomore Posts: 100 Fan of School: Thomas Favorite Sport: Football	The last two Dec 15, 2019 2:31:56 GMT -6 mtown likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by cleangreen on Dec 15, 2019 2:31:56 GMT -6 Ringling was clearly the better team.

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Dec 15, 2019 2:31:56 GMT -6 cleangreen said:

Ringling was clearly the better team.

Hmm... ”clearly better”? Take away two big pass plays or even just one of them, one on 3rd and 19 and one on 3rd and 14, that both went for long touchdowns and it’s a different ball game. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Ringling didn’t deserve to win, they definitely played great and made the plays that they had too to win the game, but ”clearly better”... don’t know about that. Great game and congrats to Ringling winning the Championship!

statechampqb MVP 700 Posts: 739	The last two Dec 15, 2019 11:22:16 GMT -6 via mobile soonerman91 and wcathomer like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by statechampqb on Dec 15, 2019 11:22:16 GMT -6 Ringling rushes 59 times and has the ball 32 of 48 minutes ...sounds pretty impressive ..

wcathomer Freshmen Posts: 68	The last two Dec 15, 2019 11:32:03 GMT -6 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by wcathomer on Dec 15, 2019 11:32:03 GMT -6 Dec 15, 2019 11:22:16 GMT -6 statechampqb said: Ringling rushes 59 times and has the ball 32 of 48 minutes ...sounds pretty impressive .. Definitely deserving of the win.

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Dec 15, 2019 10:57:07 GMT -6 wcathomer said:

Dec 15, 2019 2:31:56 GMT -6 cleangreen said:

Ringling was clearly the better team.

Hmm... ”clearly better”? Take away two big pass plays or even just one of them, one on 3rd and 19 and one on 3rd and 14, that both went for long touchdowns and it’s a different ball game. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Ringling didn’t deserve to win, they definitely played great and made the plays that they had too to win the game, but ”clearly better”... don’t know about that. Great game and congrats to Ringling winning the Championship!

Shackleford got outcoached and his boys got outplayed for 4 quarters and sometimes you just gotta take it on the chin.

statechampqb MVP 700 Posts: 739	The last two Dec 15, 2019 14:31:27 GMT -6 via mobile westernokie likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by statechampqb on Dec 15, 2019 14:31:27 GMT -6 Not saying you got to be under Center smash mouth but in small school football in Oklahoma u better be able to run it ...

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Dec 15, 2019 14:31:27 GMT -6 statechampqb said:

Not saying you got to be under Center smash mouth but in small school football in Oklahoma u better be able to run it ...

Cashion definitely didn’t dominate in the run game. But not being able to throw it is what hurt them. Harman was 5-16 for 74 yards and a pick. That’s terrible. He’s got pretty good speed and I know he’s young just being a sophomore. But he doesn’t have a very strong arm and made poor decisions with the football, both throwing and running. We knew all along Cashion’s weakness was going to be at QB and it really showed against a great defense such as Ringling. Sure, he had good numbers. But their deficiencies were masked because they were the better team all year until the finals.

With that being said, I fully agree with the fact that you have to run the football to win, especially in small school football.

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bulldawg Freshmen Posts: 72	The last two Dec 15, 2019 19:57:24 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by bulldawg on Dec 15, 2019 19:57:24 GMT -6 Football is won in the trenches. This isn’t a new revelation

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Congrats to both on a great year. Love that a ground and pound team won it. But lets be honest here. Cashion are not a bunch of soft kids. Defensively they would come down hill and light you up. Don't take anything away from those kids either. The best team on that night won. Leave it at that.

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Dec 16, 2019 9:30:11 GMT -6 westernokie said:

Congrats to both on a great year. Love that a ground and pound team won it. But lets be honest here. Cashion are not a bunch of soft kids. Defensively they would come down hill and light you up. Don't take anything away from those kids either. The best team on that night won. Leave it at that.

I said, in one of my MaxPreps updates for the game, that these were two "very physical" teams going at it. I stand behind that; Cashion was a very physical bunch. But like I said a couple weeks back to some of my most trusted friends and confidants, "I really don't think anyone, barring some unforseen event, can beat us; our kids are so focused and determined that I cannot see anyone beating us." I kept that opinion within a very small group of course, but I said it nevertheless. Turns out I was right, luckily.

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Dec 15, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -6 johnsmith said:

Dec 15, 2019 14:31:27 GMT -6 statechampqb said:

Not saying you got to be under Center smash mouth but in small school football in Oklahoma u better be able to run it ...

Cashion definitely didn’t dominate in the run game. But not being able to throw it is what hurt them. Harman was 5-16 for 74 yards and a pick. That’s terrible. He’s got pretty good speed and I know he’s young just being a sophomore. But he doesn’t have a very strong arm and made poor decisions with the football, both throwing and running. We knew all along Cashion’s weakness was going to be at QB and it really showed against a great defense such as Ringling. Sure, he had good numbers. But their deficiencies were masked because they were the better team all year until the finals.

With that being said, I fully agree with the fact that you have to run the football to win, especially in small school football.

One of the things I noted about this team fairly early on was the fact that no one (literally no one) could beat us for a big play in the pass game. We (I) wondered whether that would be the case in the deeper (3rd rnd and on) playoff rounds. One of the reasons this current year's Ringling defensive team was/is considered the best defensive class A defense ever is due to their immaculate play against the pass and pass-heavy teams. Not that we didn't give up a few big pass plays, but that our boys never gave up a big pass play that resulted in a "cheap" TD. Everything had to be "earned" with the opposing team(s), pass-wise or otherwise. Our secondary, including our linebackers in pass coverage, were right on top of it game in and game out. Mangum probably had the most success against us in the pass game, but not because we were lacking in the coverage aspect.

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